Bayshore Teaparty Goes Rogue!
By Susan Christopher, A Concerned American
On May 21st 2012, the Bayshore Teaparty issued a press release endorsing Ron Paul for President of the United States of America, and with great pleasure no less! They state in their endorsement that they are tired of the GOP ramming candidates down their throats. The Bayshore Teaparty, headed by its founder, Barbara Gonzalez, has made this decision based on principal missing the true importance of this 2012 election, which is to defeat Obama at all cost! What’s more, she talks about Mitt Romney’s left-leaning policies, never mentioning any of Ron Paul’s dangerous agenda!
According to Conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh, Paul is not a teaparty candidate. Limbaugh stated on his radio broadcast, “Paul blames America for 9/11. This is NOT what the teaparty thinks.” Paul is an Isolationist! How will he protect us from enemies foreign and domestic if he admits that America should stay out of foreign policy? Remember America is the Infidel, and we are on every terrorist group “hit list”. What will Paul do if Iran is allowed to complete its mission to develop a nuclear arsenal and threatens the destruction of the United States and Israel with it? How can America trust such a kook?
In an article written by journalist Ben Adler dated December 22, 2011, Adler states, “Paul is not a true libertarian: he takes socially conservative stances like opposing immigration and reproductive freedom. He is a non-interventionist.” How then can the BSTP with all good conscience endorse such a man? The answer is clear…it’s the principal of the thing! This is not about teaching lessons: this is the most important election of our time! BSTP talks the talk about restoring America to her former glory. Does this mean taking a step backwards and ignoring what happened on the day when we got hit by terrorists on American soil? Is this no longer an issue? How will this resonate with families who lost loved-ones on that dark day? Perhaps the Bayshore Teaparty is being influenced by the Obama administration that suggests terrorism is no longer a threat to us.
My husband and I were once proud members of the Bayshore Teaparty. We shared common principles and beliefs, but no longer. I wrote to Barbara Gonzalez expressing my concerns over the Ron Paul endorsement, Gonzalez accused me of being influence by the media. Well to sum it all up, the Bayshore Teaparty has gone rogue with this perilous endorsement! Perhaps the teaparty should stand by its original policy and stay away from endorsing candidates; in all probability…they would be better off for it.
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Kyrillos is just upset his donations didn’t BUY him an endorsement. Ernesto team going down!
http://www.conservativenewsandviews.com/2012/05/11/editorial/guest/republican-party-without-shame-silence/ Just a little lite reading
Leaders lead not follow the masses. Hard to argue with that. There are however good leaders and bad leaders. Good leaders don’t lead off the edge of a cliff. Good leaders don’t lead banzai attacks without a strategic purpose.
It is hard to determine what is gained by endorsing Paul. You have marginalized yourself for a candidate that can not possible win the nomination and if he runs as an independent has no chance of winning but may insure 4 more years of Obama. As bad as Romney may be (in your opinion) the USA may not survive another 4 years of BHO. I would take Bush back over O’Bama. In any event you have thrown away your ability to effect policy in any meaningful way by strapping on the equivelant of a political suicide vest.
Digger, keep on digging.
“…. he is a little wacky and dangerous on foreign policy.”
To understand RP’s foreign policy, one must understand he is a strict constitutionalist and remains faithful to not just constitutional letter of law, but spirit.
Lastly, bear in mind the current assault over our sovereignty by Agenda 21, the UN and the past decades of both the GOP and Democrats instituting the policies to transform our nation into subjugation to NWO. Ron Paul’s response to A21? “Restoration of American Sovereignty Act,” 1997, that would have legislated the USA to cancel membership and all funding to the UN. In one fell swoop, that legislation cancels A21, here.
Said spirit is found in the words of the founders, whom, I don’t think you would argue were not the greatest political philosophers of all time. Much deeper than you, me, anyone on this page and with rare exception, people in the grassroots movement.
BEAR IN MIND PLEASE, that the founders admonished us to read the constitution in contex of it’s times and intent, else the meaning and protections would be lost and as Jefferson said, rendered “a blank sheet of paper.”
Yes, a lot here. But know, they said a LOT more on topic and always consistent.
Here you will find the founders, AND Ron Paul’s views. After a life time study of all the founders ever wrote, and understanding the US and State Consitution, the design of the Republic of INDEPENDENT STATES, I have been searching for just such a man as RP.
Also, bear in mind that by far, the majority of wars and actions in which the USA has engaged have not been legal, approved by Congress or prosecuted according to Constitutional law.
Say what you will about RP, he is the only candidate in DECADES who defends Constitutional law, no matter what the personal consequences or accusations by those in league to dissemble it.
Our nation’s founders on interventionism and foreign affairs:
“I am for free commerce with all nations, political connection with none, and little or no diplomatic establishment. And I am not for linking ourselves by new treaties with the quarrels of Europe, entering that field of slaughter to preserve their balance, or joining in the confederacy of Kings to war against the principles of liberty.” –Thomas Jefferson to Elbridge Gerry, 1799. ME 10:77
“I have ever deemed it fundamental for the United States never to take active part in the quarrels of Europe. Their political interests are entirely distinct from ours. Their mutual jealousies, their balance of power, their complicated alliances, their forms and principles of government, are all foreign to us. They are nations of eternal war. All their energies are expended in the destruction of the labor, property and lives of their people.” –Thomas Jefferson to James Monroe, 1823. ME: 15:436
“I sincerely join… in abjuring all political connection with every foreign power; and though I cordially wish well to the progress of liberty in all nations, and would forever give it the weight of our countenance, yet they are not to be touched without contamination from their other bad principles. Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto.” –Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Lomax, 1799. ME 10:124
“We have a perfect horror at everything like connecting ourselves with the politics of Europe.” –Thomas Jefferson to William Short, 1801. ME 10:285
“Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations–entangling alliances with none, I deem [one of] the essential principles of our government, and consequently [one of] those which ought to shape its administration.” –Thomas Jefferson: 1st Inaugural Address, 1801. ME 3:321
“We wish the happiness and prosperity of every nation.” –Thomas Jefferson to Mme de Stael-Holstein, 1815. ME 14:333
Peace and Justice for All Nations
“We wish to cultivate peace and friendship with all nations, believing that course most conducive to the welfare of our own. It is natural that these friendships should bear some proportion to the common interests of the parties.” –Thomas Jefferson to Rufus King, 1802. ME 10:329
“It is our duty and our interest to cultivate with all nations… a spirit of justice and friendly accommodation.” –Thomas Jefferson: 2nd Annual Message, 1802. ME 3:341
“What is the price we ask for our friendship? Justice, and the comity usually observed between nation and nation.” –Thomas Jefferson to James Maury, 1815. ME 14:313
“It is in the power of neighbor nations to contribute to mutual happiness and prosperity by faithfully using their good offices wherever they can procure the peace and advantage of each other.” –Thomas Jefferson to de Viar and de Jaudenes, 1792. ME 8:339
“I have ever cherished the same spirit with all nations, from a consciousness that peace, prosperity, liberty and morals have an intimate connection.” –Thomas Jefferson to George Logan, 1813. ME 13:384
“We wish not to meddle with the internal affairs of any country, nor with the general affairs of Europe. Peace with all nations, and the right which that gives us with respect to all nations, are our object.” –Thomas Jefferson to C. W. F. Dumas, 1793. ME 9:56
“I wish that all nations may recover and retain their independence; that those which are overgrown may not advance beyond safe measures of power; that a salutary balance may be ever maintained among nations; and that our peace, commerce and friendship may be sought and cultivated by all.” –Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Leiper, 1815. ME 14:308
Keeping Informed
“I know, too, that it is a maxim with us, and I think it a wise one, not to entangle ourselves with the affairs of Europe. Still, I think we should know them.” –Thomas Jefferson to Edward Carrington, 1787. ME 6:396
“While there are powers in Europe which fear our views, or have views on us, we should keep an eye on them, their connections and oppositions, that in a moment of need, we may avail ourselves of their weakness with respect to others as well as ourselves, and calculate their designs and movements, on all the circumstances under which they exist.” –Thomas Jefferson to Edward Carrington, 1787. ME 6:396
“Let the general government be reduced to foreign concerns only, and let our affairs be disentangled from those of all other nations except as to commerce, which the merchants will manage the better, the more they are left free to manage for themselves, and our general government may be reduced to a very simple organization and a very inexpensive one; a few plain duties to be performed by a few servants.” –Thomas Jefferson to Gideon Granger, 1800. ME 10:168
Few if Any Treaties
“I see… not much harm in annihilating the whole treaty-making power except as to making peace” –Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1796. ME 9:330
“On the subject of treaties, our system is to have none with any nation, as far as can be avoided… We believe that with nations as with individuals, dealings may be carried on as advantageously, perhaps more so, while their continuance depends on a voluntary good treatment as if fixed by contract which, when it becomes injurious to either, is made by forced constructions to mean what suits them and becomes a cause of war instead of a bond of peace… It is against our system to embarrass ourselves with treaties, or to entangle ourselves at all with the affairs of Europe.” –Thomas Jefferson to Philip Mazzei, 1804. ME 11:38
“In national as in individual dealings, more liberality will, perhaps, be found in voluntary regulations than in those which are measured out by the strict letter of a treaty, which, whenever it becomes onerous, is made by forced construction to mean anything or nothing, engenders disputes and brings on war.” –Thomas Jefferson to Alexander, Emperor of Russia, 1804. ME 19:143
“An injured friend is the bitterest of foes.” –Thomas Jefferson: Opinion on French Treaties, 1793. ME 3:235
“We had better have no treaty than a bad one. It will not restore friendship, but keep us in a state of constant irritation.” –Thomas Jefferson: The Anas, 1807. ME 1:467
“Observations on the expediency of making short treaties are most sound. Our situation is too changing and too improving to render an unchangeable treaty expedient for us.” –Thomas Jefferson to Edward Rutledge, 1790. ME 8:60
“We wish to let every treaty we have drop off without renewal… The interest which European nations feel as well as ourselves in the mutual patronage of commercial intercourse is a sufficient stimulus on both sides to ensure that patronage. A treaty contrary to that interest renders war necessary to get rid of it.” –Thomas Jefferson to William Short, 1801. ME 10:287
A Separate System from the European
“Nothing is so important as that America shall separate herself from the systems of Europe, and establish one of her own. Our circumstances, our pursuits, our interests, are distinct. The principles of our policy should be so also. All entanglements with that quarter of the globe should be avoided if we mean that peace and justice shall be the polar stars of the American societies.” –Thomas Jefferson to J. Correa de Serra, 1820. ME 15:285
“It ought to be the very first object of our pursuits to have nothing to do with the European interests and politics. Let them be free or slaves at will, navigators or agriculturists, swallowed into one government or divided into a thousand, we have nothing to fear from them in any form.” –Thomas Jefferson to George Logan, 1801.
“Our nation has wisely avoided entangling itself in the system of European interests, has taken no side between its rival powers, attached itself to none of its ever-changing confederacies.” –Thomas Jefferson to Baltimore Baptists, 1808. ME 16:318
“To take part in [the European] conflicts would be to divert our energies from creation to destruction. Our commerce is so valuable to them that they will be glad to purchase it when the only price we ask is to do us justice. I believe we have in our hands the means of peaceable coercion, and that the moment they see our government so united as that they can make use of it, they will for their own interest be disposed to do us justice. In this way [we] shall not be obliged by any treaty of confederation to go to war for injuries done to others.” –Thomas Jefferson to George Logan, 1801.
“The successful example of recalling nations to the practice of justice by peaceable appeals to their interests, will doubtless have salutary effects on our future course.” –Thomas Jefferson: Reply to Tammany Society of Baltimore, 1809. ME 16:366
“Separated by a wide ocean from the nations of Europe and from the political interests which entangle them together, with productions and wants which render our commerce and friendship useful to them and theirs to us, it cannot be the interest of any to assail us, nor ours to disturb them. We should be most unwise, indeed, were we to cast away the singular blessings of the position in which nature has placed us, the opportunity she has endowed us with of pursuing at a distance from foreign contentions the paths of industry, peace and happiness; of cultivating general friendship and of bringing collisions of interest to the umpirage of reason rather than of force.” –Thomas Jefferson: 3rd Annual Message, 1803. ME 3:359
“Our distance enables us to pursue a course which the crowded situation of Europe renders perhaps impracticable there.” –Thomas Jefferson to Pierre Jean Georges Cabanis, 1803. ME 10:405
“Distant as we are from the powers of Europe, and devoted to pursuits which separate us from their affairs, we still look with brotherly concern on whatever affects those nations, and offer constant prayers for their welfare.” –Thomas Jefferson to the King of Holland, 1807. ME 11:161
Avoiding European Wars
“The fundamental principle of our government [is] never to entangle us with the broils of Europe.” –Thomas Jefferson to A. Coray, 1823. ME 15:481
“Our first and fundamental maxim should be never to entangle ourselves in the broils of Europe. Our second, never to suffer Europe to intermeddle with cis-Atlantic affairs. America, North and South, has a set of interests distinct from those of Europe and peculiarly her own. She should therefore have a system of her own, separate and apart from that of Europe. While the last is laboring to become the domicile of despotism, our endeavor should surely be to make our hemisphere that of freedom.” –Thomas Jefferson to James Monroe, 1823. ME 15:477
“Exhortations to avoid taking part in the war… raging in Europe… were a confirmation of the policy I had myself pursued, and which I thought and still think should be the governing canon of our republic.” –Thomas Jefferson to Mme de Stael-Holstein, 1815. ME 14:331
“I hope we may still keep clear of [the broils of Europe],… and that time may be given us to… find some means of shielding ourselves in future from foreign influence, political, commercial, or in whatever other form it may be attempted. I can scarcely withhold myself from joining in the wish of Silas Deane that there were an ocean of fire between us and the old world.” –Thomas Jefferson to Elbridge Gerry, 1797. ME 9:385
A Separate Hemisphere
“I hope [all will see and] promote… the advantages of a cordial fraternization among all the American nations, and the advantage of their coalescing in an American system of policy, totally independent of and unconnected with that of Europe. The day is not distant when we may formally require a meridian of partition through the ocean which separates the two hemispheres, on the hither side of which no European gun shall ever be heard, nor an American on the other; and when, during the rage of the eternal wars of Europe, the lion and the lamb within our regions shall lie down together in peace… The principles of society there and here… are radically different, and I hope no American patriot will ever lose sight of the essential policy of interdicting in the seas and territories of both Americas the ferocious and sanguinary contests of Europe.” –Thomas Jefferson to William Short, 1820. ME 15:262
“[Our] object [in this hemisphere] is to introduce and establish the American system, of keeping out of our land all foreign powers, of never permitting those of Europe to intermeddle with the affairs of our nations.” –Thomas Jefferson to James Monroe, 1823. ME 15:478
“We begin to broach the idea that we consider the whole Gulf Stream as of our waters, in which hostilities and cruising are to be frowned on for the present, and prohibited so soon as either consent or force will permit us. We shall never permit another privateer to cruise within it, and shall forbid our harbors to national cruisers. This is essential for our tranquillity and commerce.” –Thomas Jefferson to James Monroe, 1806. ME 11:111
“When our strength will permit us to give the law of our hemisphere, it should be that the meridian of the mid-Atlantic should be the line of demarkation between war and peace, on this side of which no act of hostility should be committed, and the lion and the lamb lie down in peace together.” –Thomas Jefferson to John Crawford, 1812. ME 13:119
“We aim not at the acquisition of any of [Europe’s American] possessions,… we will not stand in the way of any amicable arrangement between them and the Mother country; but… we will oppose, with all our means, the forcible interposition of any other power, as auxiliary, stipendiary, or under any other form or pretext, and most especially, their transfer to any power by conquest, cession, or acquisition in any other way.” –Thomas Jefferson to James Monroe, 1823. ME 15:479
“Distance and difference of pursuits, of interests, of connections and other circumstances prescribe to us a different system having no object in common with Europe but a peaceful interchange of mutual comforts for mutual wants.” –Thomas Jefferson to Mme de Stael-Holstein, 1815. ME 14:331
“The European nations constitute a separate division of the globe; their localities make them part of a distinct system; they have a set of interests of their own in which it is our business never to engage ourselves. America has a hemisphere to itself. It must have its separate system of interest, which must not be subordinated to those of Europe. The insulated state in which nature has placed the American continent should so far avail it that no spark of war kindled in the other quarters of the globe should be wafted across the wide oceans which separate us from them.” –Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, 1813. ME 14:22
“I hope no American patriot will ever lose sight of the essential policy of interdicting in the seas and territories of both Americas the ferocious and sanguinary contests of Europe.” –Thomas Jefferson to William Short, 1820.
The American Union Above Foreign Ties
“Do what is right, leaving the people of Europe to act their follies and crimes among themselves, while we pursue in good faith the paths of peace and prosperity.” –Thomas Jefferson to James Monroe, 1823.
“The politics of Europe render it indispensably necessary that, with respect to everything external, we be one nation only, firmly hooped together.” –Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1786. ME 5:278
“The first object of my heart is my country. In that is embarked my family, my fortune and my own existence. I have not one farthing of interest nor one fibre of attachment out of it, nor a single motive of preference of any one nation to another but in proportion as they are more or less friendly to us.” –Thomas Jefferson to Elbridge Gerry, 1799. ME 10:78
“I have been happy… in believing that… whatever follies we may be led into as to foreign nations, we shall never give up our Union, the last anchor of our hope, and that alone which is to prevent this heavenly country from becoming an arena of gladiators.” –Thomas Jefferson to Elbridge Gerry, 1797. ME 9:384
“Our attachment to no nation on earth should supplant our attachment to liberty.” –Thomas Jefferson: Declaration on Taking Up Arms, 1775. Papers 1:201
“Much as I abhor war, and view it as the greatest scourge of mankind, and anxiously as I wish to keep out of the broils of Europe, I would yet go with my brethren into these, rather than separate from them.” –Thomas Jefferson to Elbridge Gerry, 1797. ME 9:385
Nothing Personal, But You Rested My Case. You Guys Have All Gone Nuts, Totally Wacky Because You Are Now Frothing At The Mouthg .
Oh, And To The Barbara Lack Of Leadership Issue, Leaders Need To Be Realistic. She Has Flip Flopped Her Way Thru A Number Of Candidates This Year.
I Would Get Sea Sick Following All Of Those Zigs & Zags. I Could Never Trust One’s Judgment If They Continually Flip Flop. Again, It’s Nothing Personal.
But The Word For That Is “INCONSISTENT.”
And I Have Yet To Hear A Retraction Or Apology On The German Comments Or Hear A Response To The Question Of The Tea Party Sitting On Their Hands This Fall, And What They Will Do If Obama Wins & Continues To Destroy Our Country.
The Anna Thing? She May Win The Primary, But To What End?
Teaparty members are certainly patriots, but not all patriots are teaparty members! Helene, the Nazis were Germans. Where were you educated?
Susan, not all Nazis were German. Not all Germans were Nazis. I had a doctor who, as a young man was held in a concentration camp, his wife did not make it out. They were not Nazis, they were German. Hitler was not German he was the head of the Nazi party.
Now I hope you are clear on all this.
To another former member: You said “True patriots are loyal – something the BSTP knows nothing about.”
Dogs are loyal to owners, even those who abuse and hurt them.
Patriots are loyal to nation, Republican form of gov’t., self rule, sovereign rights, restoration.
Not Party. Party has interposed itself between our liberty, our Bill of Rights, our money, even our children.
Party has subjugated us to A21, World Court Law,
forced us to tolerate the invasion they arranged from 3rd world countries, the Dems’ role the illegal, the GOP’s role, the legal, both double teaming the value of American citizenship,
both diluting our law, culture and system,
both taxing us to death to pay for our nation’s demise.
Both.
You criticize those who put principle and nation over party.
And remain blissfully unaware that the GOP is no longer the grand old party of paleoconservatives.
You stand with your oppressors and attack your champions.
And your mistake, for our nation, amounts to aiding and abetting the very forces you SAY you rose to fight.
WHEN did the Tea Party’s mission change from small gov’t, no taxation without representation into the “Let’s get the GOP into Majority Party?”
PLEASE explain to me how socialized medicine called Obamacare is somehow worse than the SAME socialized medicine, the “father of Obamacare” called Romneycare?
Will you like socialized medicine forced down your throat any better because it’s the GOP strangling you with it?
For years Barb and the Bayshore group were staunch GOP supporters. They bought the snake oil, “return, reform, rebuild.”
And for years, candidates that the TPP recruited were absorbed into the GOP, made to run in primaries, not just against incumbants but against their own neo con, hand picked candidates.
I point out a recent GOP duplistic maneuver. Bill Eames, Morris Patriots. Ran for Senate under the GOP banner.
Christie another faux “conservative” who has betrayed all teh promises of his campaign, came out and endorsed the off the wall liberal Democrat, Cody.
The candidates we ran invariable lost, the GOP took them in to placate us, get our membership lists, our dollars but buried and undermined our candidates every step of the way. Do you not remember?
And THINK about the so called TPP candidates we all worked so hard to get elected, even though they weren’t really “TPP” candidates but the hand picked GOP ones.
They have gone to DC and voted against small gov’t. the latest and WORST is that but for 2? ALL of the 70 something voted for NDAA.
Speaking of which. Do you KNOW what NDAA is? What it authorizes gov’t to do?
The short is it cancels the Bill of Rights and Posse Comitatus, gov’t can now send military after you, no arrest warrant, no charges, indefinite detention.
Oh sure, the GOP says it’s for “terrorists.” Have you SEEN DHS’ list of potential terrorists?
TEA PARTY PATRIOTS
Returning vets
Anyone who speaks out against the gov’t.
The GOP wrote this legislation and the GOP overwhelmingly passed it.
Romney advocates and defends it.
I must ask you, HOW can you consider voting for ANYONE who would defend this and pledge to keep it in place?
It is like the Jews in Germany voting for Hitler. 20/20 let’s YOU have the hindsight of such a disasterous election.
This time, you must review history to avoid it repeating.
GOP LOYALTY guarantees such a repeat. The GOP has stated its intention with this law.
There is no denying and no excusing.
Only willfully ignoring.
Do so if you must. But please do not try to make the case that you are a Tea Party “Patriot.”
Patriots put nation first, party, be damned.
It sounds like that it isn’t only Ron Paul who is a little wacky….I think Grandmom needs to talk to Grandpop.
Case closed!
Okay…I will try this AGAIN for those that are too thick to understand anything but “follow the RINO’s”. I DID NOT ENDORSE ANYONE except as a group, we endorsed Cain. When Cain was knocked out by the GOP machine, we DID NOT ENDORSE ANYONE. Now listen carefully, because this is where you have a hard time understanding. I supported Santorum because he was the closest to beating Romney. I DO NOT LIKE ROMNEY, so I supported (NOT ENDORSED) Santorum. Once he was out, I waited to see if Paul would stay. In the beginning, he had no chance of winning, IMO. Now that he is still in the race, though not actively campaigning, our group voted to endorse Paul and the principles he stands by. It should be clear by now, that WE DO NOT LIKE ROMNEY. Ron Paul would clearly be a better candidate for the Presidency. Clearly. Now as far as a retraction or apology, don’t hold your breath. Not happening. I said nothing wrong. And no, we will not be sitting on our hands…our hands will be busy finding real constitutional candidates. What will your hands be doing? Giving thumbs up to all the people leading you along? Will you be throwing your hands up like good little cheerleaders?
@WTPGrandmom,
Are You Going Off The Deep End?
WE GET IT. I KNEW IT. Romney is not the best candidate. But Paul is not going to be President & I certainly don’t want Obama getting re-elected.
Are you really willing to risk Obama getting re-elected just to make a point?
Get over your problems and work LONG term to build up candidates of your choice but get over it when your guy doesn’t make it.
Your tirades only reinforce my feeling that Paulists & TP People are elitist.
Hey Art,
Have we reached a record on comments posted yet? 🙂
Groan….Long term?? How long? Your kids?grandkids?great grandkids? Oh, I know…In 2016 they are finally going to let you pick your candidates, right? No? 2020? We will be so far to the left by then, you might as well have Obama!!!
You are not willing to take a stand now and you never will be.
Reading the first and last entries here it appears that Mark Falzon, as an elected leader of one tea party group is definitely more realistic in terms of the 2012 objective – get Obama out.
Unfortunately, the other tea party group (BTPG) has run out of candidates and is basically espousing anybody but Romney.
I get it, you don’t like Romney.
The million dollar question is how much do you like Obama and his gang (Van Jones, Bill Ayres, ad infinitum)? Because all you are doing is helping to re-elect Obama.
Sorry if the truth hurts.
Methinks we need a timeout here.
Here’s a great video by Catholics on values.
Please watch this video … it’s awesome! It’s entitled “Test of Fire: Election 2012”
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=D9vQt6IXXaM&hd
This is right on the mark!
Another Clarification: Two other tea party groups were on that endorsement. There would have been quite a few more, but their by laws do not allow for endorsements. My answer to your million dollar question is this: What will you do when you find out that Romney and HIS gang are no better? If all the tea party groups had some cojones, they would have taken a stand too and maybe, just maybe we would have gotten a better candidate!!!
Okay, so I am pretty much done here. It’s been a blast. Oy.
I put up the words of the founders. That is where you find the context and spirit behind the letter of the law.
That is what the founders told us was our civic responsibility to do, as Americans who would protect our birthright.
For my efforts I am accused of frothing at the mouth.
Sigh…. I ask, were the founders frothing, too?
Likely answer, my critic didn’t read it. Too many claiment conservatives are too lazy to read, go to the source, research their own info, put it together, be “informed” as the founders put it.
And when we encounter someone not willing to do the work of it, someone content to get their info delivered to them, in the car, talk radio, on tv, faux news, then we know the mettle of whom we’ve encountered.
It’s called closet socialist.
No more tea, if you turn off the tv you will find a whole ‘nother world out there.
Getting rid of BHO is a win for the GOP.
Not the people.
Romney will not change policy one.
“You can have any color you want as long as it’s black.” ~~ Henry Ford
Look up Mortons Fork and Mortons Dilemma. If you understand that, you will understand the party ruse being perpetrated.
Art,
This is great! This is one of the best discussions I have seen on this site in quite awhile. Did you beat any record with postings?
Grandmom:
The Henry Ford quote is not a “Morton’s Fork”. It is more correctly a “Hobson’s choice” as only one option is allowed.
A ” Morton’s Fork” requires that the choices are between two equally unpleasant alternatives.
While Mitt Romney is no rabid, right wing nut job, neither is he Barrack Hussein Obama. Therefore, it is not correct to say these are “equally unpleasant”.
None of your choices will receive the GOP nomination; now your choice is to destroy this country by supporting Mr. Obama, or to stop the socialist agenda by electing the only opponent who can defeat him.
That is your choice.
This video says it all. Please take the time to watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHQ-iU3Ddmk&feature=em-share_video_user
Jim Sage, Freespeaker and others who have asked privately and care about records:
I really don’t keep track of the number of comments on threads, but….
This thread is likely a record for a single day of commenting. It is also probably the most commented thread on this new site. The old blogspot site had a couple of threads with over 100 comments, if memory serves me, but they took over a week to get there.
MMM will set a new traffic record this month, probably by noon tomorrow.
As you were.
Gee Barbara all we are hearing is a lot of “I,”
“I,” “I”s. Don’t you mean “We” Barbara? This sounds like your typical Obama speech to me!
Dear Susan,
this is getting childish.
meow
Barbara
Barbara said at 7:25 pm on May 28th, 2012:
“Groan….Long term?? How long? Your kids?grandkids?great grandkids? Oh, I know…In 2016 they are finally going to let you pick your candidates, right? No? 2020? We will be so far to the left by then, you might as well have Obama!!! You are not willing to take a stand now and you never will be.”
YOU ARE NOT GETTING IT BARB…
Paul Lost, Santorum Lost, Gingrich, ET Al LOST. And I Hurt Because One Of Them Lost. Whining Does Not Help The Situation.
I Can Not Tell You The Situation We Have In Our Hands In My Town. But I Had A Valuable Talk With Some People That Support My Efforts. I Have To Take It Slower, Almost DOUBLE The Time I Wanted To In Order To Bring About Change.
Not Working To Help Defeat Obama Doesn’t Help Your Situation.
What I Mean By Long Term Is Cultivate Candidates At Lower Levels And Work Them Up The Ladder. They Become Credible That Way, And Sooner Or Later You Will Have Your Ideal Candidate.
YES, IT WILL TAKE WORK…
But Rome Was Not Built In A Day.
Everyone Else, STOP With The Morton’s Salt, Fork, Henry Hudson Quagmires.
What We Are Talking About Is The REALITY OF THE MOMENT.
That Is Obama. If You Can’t Figure That Out, You Do Not Deserve To Lead.
You know what the problem with people like echo, wtpgrandmom, Barbara, etc. is? They feel that they are the final word on who is a true conservative, who is a true patriot, who is an acceptable candidate, etc. They are so taken with themselves that their egos glut these pages with endless, pious, rambling posts that sound like Mother Superior wagging her finger lecturing a bunch of first graders. Well, here’s a news flash – there are a lot of true conservatives who have had it with the elitist mentality of some of the so-called TP leaders. You people are turning off like-minded conservatives and slowly killing a fantastic, much-needed movement. I am as conservative, if not more so than any of the three I mentioned, but I’ll tell you one thing, I will work my butt off to see that Obama is a one-termer, and if Romney is his opponent, I will work as if he is the reincarnation of Ron Reagan. If he picks a solid conservative like Marco Rubio as his veep, all the better. You three would be wise to do the same and stop wasting your time making silly little, trivial points backing a guy who has zero chance to get the nomination.
To the Proud Republican I say…I second that emotion!
First of all, Susan Christopher began this whole thing by posting her rant on this blog site. Can you honestly tell me by reading these posts that most of the people on here that are arguing against us, are not being pious, rambling, insulting and immature? Also, no one asked you to join a tea party. If you don’t like what we do, don’t join us! If you don’t like what we post, don’t read it! Susan, who is not a member of Bayshore as she claimed to be, went on a rant because she is a staunch republican and didn’t like how we voted. If she was really a member, she could have been at the meetings where we discussed the issue. She could have been at the meeting where we voted. Was she? No. Was she at any meetings? No. Oh, and good luck with Rubio….he is proposing the DREAM act. Why don’t you work for what and who you want, and we will work for what and who we want? I mean, who are you or Susan or anyone for that matter, to tell us “wagging your finger” who we should be working for? Susan thought she was some sort of heroine posting her screed about what we as a group did. Susan can mind her damn business. She can get off her butt and work for Romney. I don’t tell her not to! She ought not tell us what to do either. I honestly do not intend to be doing “this” all day tomorrow. You guys with fake names can if you want to, but I will be working for our candidates.
Thanks for proving my point Barbara. And your defensive, “we don’t need you” attitude toward anyone who disagrees with you or your rather odd choice of candidates is the reason the BSTP numbers are dropping faster than Bill Clinton’s pants in a room full of interns. You should be trying to bring more people into the fold, not driving them away.
Fellow Patriots, I think we’ve thrown enough truth at these lost souls. Elitist??? I’ve never been called that before lol.
These folks are sick and they obviously need to be subjected to more of the same to maybe, hopefully wake up one day. I’m not going to hold my breath though waiting for that to happen. And I’m not about to give this website any more attention and webtraffic. Let it sink to the bowels of hell where both the establishments belong. I’m out. They want to support tyrants, let them. Let them beat their own heads against the wall over & over again until they knock themselves out lol. Later.
Desperately seeking Susan! Where’s Susan? Has she been in here yet?
I never seen so many knuckle heads in one place except at Obamas inauguration. Looks like Romney has a close second.
Oh brother echo, chill out – next you’ll be starting off your posts with “Friends, Romans and countrymen – lend me your ears.” I know we are not up to your lofty personal standards of patriotism and wisdom in assessing and backing candidates, but please, a little mercy on us. So if anyone doesn’t support your candidate, they support tyrants? Give me a break. Go ahead, sit there in front of the mirror and make believe you are channeling Thomas Paine but remember this, while you look down your sanctimonious nose at the rest of us, you are helping the America-hating socialist in the White House get re-elected. And stop with the “there’s no difference between Obama and Romney.” They are miles apart – maybe not enough for you, but they are way different.
History lesson, the Constitutiuon replaced the Articles of Confederation. States are not independent but part of an unbreakable Union. This compact was decided some 150 years ago when we fought a Civil War to determine whether States can opt out. Guess what, States can’t, the Union side won that war.
History lesson continued-Reagan cam e into office wanting to do the impossible. However late in his first year when his recycle Jimmy Carter (Congreess refused in 1979-1980) Social Social Reforms were disowned and his cuts to “Welfare programs” were causing havoc. Did Reagan stand and fight-No They developed the Sacred Safety net Programs that will not only not be cut but would be fully financed for example;
Food Stamps
Head Start
Medicaid
Medicare
SSI
Social Security
In addition he with Congress created a bi-partisan “Blue Ribbon Commission” to save Social Security. Called the Greenspan Commission because he was Chairman, but Vice Chair was Moynihan. That Commission reported its results 1/20/1983 and the reforms were signed by President Reagan in 4/1983.
Proud Republican Has NAILED It. It seems it’s all gone to the heads of Barbara and her ilk.
I too have been looked down upon by these kinds of Tea Party people called Un American because I haven’t bought Ron Paul’s foreign policy.
Interesting point.
Ron Paul has made consistent claims that he has raised more money from veterans than any other presidential candidate this cycle. BUT EVEN THOSE VETERANS KNOW WHO THEY HAVE TO SUPPORT THIS FALL….
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05/28/poll-shows-romney-with-commanding-lead-over-obama-among-veterans/
They understand the urgency and the need to support Romney, yet those Barbara & her ilk just don’t “get it” acting high and mighty. They take the “my way or the highway” attitude.
“Barbara said at 9:37 pm on May 28th, 2012:
First of all, Susan Christopher began this whole thing by posting her rant on this blog site. Can you honestly tell me by reading these posts that most of the people on here that are arguing against us, are not being pious, rambling, insulting and immature?”
FIRST OF ALL BARBARA, don’t you dare call me or any of us immature. We are being realists about the situation. In most anyone’s book, THAT’S called mature.
Second, you have waffled between so many presidential candidates this cycle that all this sounds like is desperation to be seen as endorsing someone.
And finally the “she started it with her post” line is childish. IT SOUNDED STRANGELY LIKE THE TEA PARTY IS AGAINST FREE SPEECH.
Me thinks you need to resign as leader of the BTP so that someone else with real leadership skills can grow the movement. From the sounds of it, membership is sinking.
“EchosOfOurFoundingFathers said at 10:54 pm on May 28th, 2012:
Fellow Patriots, I think we’ve thrown enough truth at these lost souls. Elitist??? I’ve never been called that before lol.These folks are sick and they obviously need to be subjected to more of the same to maybe, hopefully wake up one day. And I’m not about to give this website any more attention and webtraffic. Let it sink to the bowels of hell where both the establishments belong. I’m out.
SICK ECHOS? How sad a little person you are. This echos me being called “Un American” You nuts have all proved my point.
You consider us sick, thus beneath you, THUS you are indeed elitists. And your “I’m out” line sounds like you are unwilling to accept what others believe, thus are acting childlike, “taking your toys and going elsewhere to play.”
Sad, frustrated people people who refuse to work in stages, a little bit at a time do not make leaders.
Barbara says, “When Cain was knocked out by the GOP machine”…
OK, I guess the GOP machine told him to go around womanizing?
When male politician can’t keep their pants on, they create their own problems.
If you can’t tell the simple truth about this, and blame everything on a conspiracy (the GOP machine), how do you intend to restore your credibility?
This is really entertaining to watch. Anyone with any self respect would have just let it lay. Barbara, you honestly made a fool of yourself by going back and forth via blog. People have the right to have their own opinion just like you and the BTPG does. No one is going to convince you to endorse Romney, just like you can’t convince me Paul has a chance of winning, so get over it and go on your merry way and continue your downward spiral!!!
I thought this circular firing squad had run out bullets.
Seems they are serving some Nuts with their Tea…
Well Barbara, being that I began this, how did you put it, rant, I will say this one last thing to you. It would have made no difference whatsoever had I been at your meeting to speak my concerns about your choice to endorse Paul for one simple reason: your mind was made up. Since you have made it very clear that YOU hate Romney, and you’ve exhausted all others, Paul was your man no matter what! So why can’t you be honest and admit it. It resonates in everything you have written so far!
Susan hit it right on the head. Barbara went thru three other candidates, Cain, Newt, Santorum. I’m sorry, but if a person doesn’t have the guts to stick it out with one candidate, that says a lot about the firmness of their convictions.
As well, I thought Susan’s original post was well reasoned and certainly no rant; especially when compared to some of the “cut and paste” rhetoric bombs that were thrown out here by Tea Partiers.
Now, I think we all out to let this rest.
Even though there have been some insulting and derogatory terms used against those that do not drink the BSTP Ron Paul Kool Aid, people are entitled to their opinions. And though it has been easy tearing apart the Tea Party’s arguments for the way they have handled this; there is more important work to be done, that of defeating Obama.
And, to be honest, my index finger is getting kind of tired scrolling WAY, WAY, WAY down to the last comment on this post 🙂
Awww, c’mon! I’m going for an even 100 posts.
Bob Gordon should be the leader of the group. He was actually elected to be part of the GOP county committee from Middletown two years ago. He makes sense and is well-respected.
What really happened to Dwight Kehoe? And is Charles Measley still a part of this so-called tea party group?
I’d really like to see the BTPG stand against and print their beliefs against Obama for once and with such conviction, instead of the GOP!
Why point your guns in the wrong direction? It really makes many wonder your true intent.
After reading all of the above comments, my question is simple:
Has the circular firing squad run out of ammo? We need to conserve ammo to attack the real enemy, BHO and his uber liberal dem party.
If some decide to sit on their hands because they didn’t get their way, and the majority of voters chose another, they should hang their heads in shame.
My way, or the highway, sounds reminiscent of old fashioned Marxist, Trotskyite, Communist, Fascist and Nazi (National Socialist) mentality.
We are all Americans, lets put aside differences and unite to beat Obama.
God Bless America!
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