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After touching the lives of so many people, he decided to pull out………….
l am always amazed at how devious the left and the MFM are—how did they know, 13 years ago, he would run for POTUS, and began paying another woman’s bills behind Mrs. Cain’s back—amazing.
Brian…are you trying to say that you don’t believe the insane idea that it was a 15 year old conspiracy involving the media and OBama supporters????LOL.
I am sure that Obama’s team was praying that he would not drop out.
The strange thing is that Cain is basically forced from the race after the last report of the 13 year affair and who supposed to be the biggest beneficiary of the other candidates???? Why its the guy who cheated on his first two wives….Newt!!! Not sure how Newt will go over with the “family values voters”
Quite frankly the Republican field is dissapointing to say the least.
TR,
No Republican seems to suit you.
So, who would your perfect Republican Candidate be? Are you planning NOT to get behind any of them so that Obama can get re-elected so that he can finalize the ruination of our Country?
Truth be told ANY of the current candidates would be better than Obama, and that included Cain.
There is no perfect candidate, nor was Reagan. Get a grip on reality folks. Push for the candidate that comes closest to your ideal in the primaries, but you better get behind whomever the nominee is or you better get ready to bend over and kiss your arse good by.
Looks to me as if Newt would be the perfect Republican candidate. All you need to do is to suspend reality and forget about everything he has done or said in the past.
Oh Bobby, you just keep on being so silly. I thought you were a loyal Republican.
So, who’s your perfect candidate, Obama?
Free, I hope Newt does get the nomination since everyday will be like Christmas morning when he turns back into a train wreck and you will be there to defend him every step of the way.
How about answering the question Bobby?
Who is your perfect Republican candidate?
You said you were a Republican. Or, is that charade over with and you are admitting that you want Nobama back?
Not true Freespeaker, I did like Cain until his “problem” developed. I liked Pawlenty a lot. I wish Ryan was ready to run. I’m probably gonna follow Krauthammer and go with Romney at this point. His article from 12/1 makes sense to me.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/mitt-vs-newt/2011/12/01/gIQAtSfOIO_story.html
I will just have to keep my fingers crossed Romney does not RINO us to badly.
Free…you spend way to much time worried about my voter registration. Although I am currently registered as a Republican, like many people in NJ I think of myself more as an independent and just want to support the person/people I think is the best candidate. Note that the Republican party nationally has basically gone off the deep end in trying to appeal to extremists and is nothing like the party of Ford, Dole, Bush 1, Tom Kean, pre flipflop Romney and even to some degree Reagan.
Candidates end up having to take extreme positions in order to appeal to the new base. All you need to do is watch the debates and listen to the audiance reactions to statements. Using Romney as an example, I actually liked him alot as Governor and before he did all of his flipflopping off of long held positions. So why I am sure he feels he is now more appealing to people like Grover Norquist and the Tea Party, he is a lot less appealing to what had been previous moderate Republican and Independent voters who had been supporters of his.
Oh Bobby,
I worry about your voter registration because you come across as a hypocrite. What you are left with is that you will accept Nobama back and even vote for him.
You sir, are no Republican if you can’t understand that ANY of the current crop of Republican Candidates is better than the disaster we have now.
Or, are you going to vote for John Huntsman under the American’s Elect Banner and say you didn’t vote Republican or Democrat; in order to assuage your “Independent” streak…
Thus serving to help re-elect the “A R S E In Chief?”
TR,
I accept your position much easier than “Oh Bobby’s” because it is rational. Yes, I will certainly support whomever is the nominee; but I must admit I am still torn in a lot of ways.
I’m a Conservative and I held my nose voting for McCain last time.
Free….Regarding the “perfect” R candidate….lets replace that with the word best which can mean best qualified or most likely to be elected or a combination of the above. Of the group that is left, I would rate Huntsman as the best and Romney a distant 2nd. Bachman, Paul and Cain don’t pass the “red phone ringing at 3 AM test” and while Newt is a smart guy, he has so many flaws that I think he is unelectable.
Some of the better candidates (although I don’t agree with them all politically) in terms of just having basic intelligence and knowledge to do the job would have been Christie and Huckabee. R’s should have a much better field in 2016 (assuming none of them win this time.)
Oh Bobby;
Flaws as in MORE flaws than Obama?
Yee of so little faith. People despise Obama, want health care repealed, are with out jobs.
This week was no help with the phoney unemployment numbers. Three times more people gave up looking (because there are no jobs) than there were jobs created.
BTW, hint; Huntsman is going nowhere. So that leaves you with Romney, Gingrich, possibly Perry or Obama.
SNAP QUESTION, THINK FAST…
Are you going to support a Obama or a Republican. The answer will tell us where you really lie.
Free….first of all people can vote for whomever they chose. In 2008, I and a lot of other Independents and Republicans voted for Obama since 8 years of Republican leadership under Bush left the country with 2 unpaid for wars at the same time the Bush tax cuts gave 1/2 of the benefits to people making over 375k/year. 700,000 jobs a month were being lost when Obama took office (over 7 million lost in total) and The Great Recession was on the brink of turning into A Great Depression. So there are no apologies coming from me for voting for Obama in 2008.
In 2012, how about we wait until we know who the R candidate is especially since there were and still are a few Republicans seeking the nomination that have are so lacking in basic knowledge that they have no business being anywhere near the Oval Office no matter how much you might dislike Obama. Credibility goes out the window when I hear people saying they would take any of them over Obama, Lol!!!!
FYI, add Pawlenty to the list of R’s that could have made good qualified candidates in the general election….To bad he was not insane enough for the base.
Oh Bobby, you equivocate so well.
What you are say is that you are apt to vote for Obama, don’t have the guts to say it.
Back to those flaws. I suspect most of America will take ANY of those “flawed” Republican candidates over a very seriously flawed and completely incapable Obama.
You said once you were a Republican. This exchange, sad as it had to be long says that you are not. You are an independent. Sadly; you are among those that gave us Obama and a far worse situation than we were in before.
I just wish you had the intestinal fortitude to admit that you bought the bill of goods being sold by the media about Obama; instead getting a VERY hard left turn that America does not want. At least Chris Matthews had the guts to admit it.
“nuf said. Got to go do more important things.
Just to be clear, I told you I am a registered Republican which I currently am but unlike yourself do not blindly support one parties candidates and like a lot of people in NJ consider myself more of an independent. Sometimes I vote Republicn and sometimes I vote Democrat. Your right…nuff said.
Mr. English is emblematic of what is wrong with the majority of voters. Quite frankly it is that type of schizophrenia that is helping to screw up this country. I am a registered republican and vote Republican because I believe in a specific ideology that republicans come closest to representing. There is a stark difference between the two parties. One (the Republicans ) claims to represent the free market economy heavy on individual responsability while the other (Democrats) champion a Europeon model of heavily regulated industry and cradle to grave benefits for everyone.
If economics is not your primary focus but social policy is your thing once again you have a stark difference with one party taking a conservative moral view based on a Biblical concepts of morality while the other party take a secular non judgmental and relativist view of morality.
Here is what to do pick which one you believe and stick with it unless you decide that it ain’t working and the other side was right after all. Don’t vote one way one year and another the next. Take a more long term view.
In other words GIVE IT SOME F-ING THOUGHT INSTEAD OF TREATING IT LIKE YOUR PICKING AN ICE CREAM FLAVOR!
hummm, TR….
How did you vote for Freeholder and State Senator this year? Just asking because of the comments you made about a R Freeholder and an R Senator.
Just because you don’t agree with Bob English, or how he goes about voting, doesn’t mean he doesn’t do so thoughtfully.
One might say that how you, someone that is engaged in the process, is relating to “the majority of voters” is emblematic with why those voters are not engaged.
I’m not saying that Bob is not engaged. He obviously is.
TR: If I follow what you are saying (which is quite a challange), does that would mean in your view people would only vote for candidates of the party from which they are registered no matter how bad that candidate might be or how good the one in the opposing party might be. Otherwise they earn the title of schizophrenia because they cross party lines or don’t agree with you???
To me, its a lot more than just positions on a bunch of issues….the candidate themselves matter especially when you are talking about who is going to be President of the United States. One recent example of where I can think of a very good candidate in one party versus and aweful candidate in another party was when Andrew Cuomo defeated Carl Paladino by almost a 2-1 margin. Obviously an aweful lots of R’s voted for Cuomo in that election. Not as good an example but enough to make the point was right here in NJ a Republican (good candidate Christie) defeated a Dem (aweful candidate Corzine) in a state with a big D registration advantage. A lot of I’s and D’s voted for Christie in that election.
My own thought is that in any given election about 1/3 of the voters will vote R no matter what and 1/3 will vote D no matter what. It’s really that middle 1/3 that is the deciding factor a lot of the time. Nationally they used to be called (and still are sometimes) Reagan Democrats.
Good example. Republicans should have voted for Paladino because he supported Republican positions. instead becsause they did not like his personality (if I recall,correctly ,I don’t really follow NY politics) they voted for someone diametrically opposed to what they believe in. Instead they voted for this months flavor.
Art, There are exceptions. 1. where the candidate says they belong to a party but do not really follow that parties philosophy and 2.when by there conduct they bring dishonor on the party. If I lived in the legislative district of which you speak I would have withheld my vote. I did withhold my vote from a freeholder this year and voted for the MORE conservative independent candidate.
This is not the same as I don’t like George Bush this month so I’m voting for Obama. O wait this month I don’t like Obama so I’m voting for…. That seems to be Mr. English’s modus operendi. He is not voting based on a governing philosophy.
TR….Tell me if I am wrong but I think what we will agree to disagree on is that you are voting based almost 100% on expressed govt philosophy (which is fine) and I am weighing some of the personal qualifications and abilities of the candidates (which is also fine) in addition to govt philosophy.
I think your way though does open the door for someone who says all the right things issue wise but is not fit or qualified for the office (whether they be a D or an R.) I used the Paladino example above since such a large number of voters clearly did not see him as fit for office no matter what he was saying and had an alternative (although a D) in Cuomo that was seen as being highly qualified.
As for Bush/Obama, obviously a lot of people who had voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004 voted for Obama in 2008. Govt philosphy asside, remember the old sayng “its the economy stupid” which is also another thing that determines how a lot of people vote regardless of party affiliation. In November of 2008 with the economy on the brink of world wide depression, it would be hard to criticize the millions of voters who had previously voted for Bush who wanted to go in another direction.
Using my previous example of 1/3, 1/3, 1/3; the middle 1/3 does not always agree 100% with the R 1/3 or the D 1/3 but they are key in determining who wins general elections.
Gee TR, this is twice in a same week that we have been on the same page. I think I said pretty much the same.
Bob, what it comes down to is having a “moral center” so to speak. There are those (the 1/3 Dem & 1/3 Republican) who have a set of values that they stick to and vote those values. That’s intellectual integrity.
And then there are those in the middle that “swing with the wind” and are so flexible that they deny what the really believe in (as in TR suggesting, THINKING about their positions and vote) that they are easily deceived by people like Obama.
Those people easily get snookered and we end up with a country going down the tubes. Instead, they could have easily added 1 plus 1 (Bill Ayers & Reverend Wright, Rezko and more) and come to the decision, something is wrong here; SERIOUSLY WRONG.
Unfortunately, now too late; many of those people are deserting Obama now that they know that they were snookered.
Too late, too much damage done.
Free…My main disagreement with your last post is that I don’t believe that ones moral center or moral compass always translates into support of one political parties positions or candidates all of the time especially since those party or pol positions seem to often change. Using the public mandate as an example, 10-15 years ago that was a Republican idea. Now the R’s have done a 180 and are all against it and its a Democratic idea. You can find dozens of examples with some pols switiching positions over the weekend on issues never mind over a period of months or years.
Just focusing on issues for a second, for a lot of people like myself, the D or R naitonal platforms don’t match up with our beliefs. I think the basic mode of the country in the last 30 years has been in the mode of moderate/moderate-conservative. You also have a lot of people who would call themselves conservative on fiscal issues but liberal on social issues. I’m sure you have heard people refer to themselves as fiscal conservatives where they would be with the R’s on fiscal policy but with the D’s on some of the social issues.
I will give you the fact that I do understand how certain individual issues can be black and white to some if one strongly adheres to a certain political philosophy. The best example I can think of of the current group of candidates in Ron Paul who whether you like him or not is very consistent in how he views issues based on his beliefs.
Perhaps moral compass or center might be too hard, but guiding principles certainly aren’t.
You are either right leaning or left leaning. And when you change positions, you move over to that side; not hang in the middle.
Fiscally Conservative & Socially Liberal allows too many people to hide what they really are, people who want to compromise away the basic tenets of our Country and our Constitution.
Just like Jen Beck and Mary Pat Angelini. Would they please change your party affiliation alread?
For me, the U.S. Constitution is my guideline. I want to know exactly where in the Constitution it says most of this crap is permitted.
Failing that, you are either conservative or liberal. I don’t believe in compromising your principles as TR alluded to. Usually, compromising for Republicans means a more liberal slant, hence the RINO’s.
Sooner or later, and it’s actually happened already; you end up with a country so far from the original intent.
Gone is the Country of limited government, low taxes, national defense; yada, yada.
WE GOT HERE BY COMPROMISING AWAY OUR IDEALS.
I also don’t buy the words “living, breathing, document.” Those are just enabling words, enabling people to get away with murder, bastardizing the Constitution.
The Constitution should be the base from what we work from. Doing so would eliminate all of this “touchy feely” PC stuff such as the so called “Separation Of Church And State.”
As I said, “nuf said.
I got a busy week ahead of me and we are just throwing turds back and forth against the tides. You ain’t going to convince me and I won’t convince you.
My decision to go this way was firmed up with John McCain’s selection by the media as the 2008 Nominee.
k….nuff said. If nothing else, your way works for you and my way works for me.
Mr. English assuming someone is not dishonest the only thing that matters is whether he can advance your ideology. Why call yourself a Republican or Democrat if you do not believe in what those parties stand for. Anyone who could vote for Bush and then Vote for Obama next time can not honestly call themselves either a republican or a democrat. You obviously have know viewpoint about how Government should govern. As I said you and millions like you go with the flavor of the month. Voting for you is a high school popularity contest not a choice born of conviction
That may work for you but it aint working for this country. The problem is not that politicians pander to the right or the left. The problem is they pander to people like you so we never get a government clear cut on the direction this country should take, we get a bunch of wishy washy middle of the road empty suits and we just get lost deeper and deeper in the swamp.
I have more respect for committed socialists. They have made a lousy choice but at least they made one.
I have more respect for committed socialists. They have made a lousy choice but at least they made one.
Again, and not to pick on TR, specifically. On the contrary his honesty about a lack of respect for the majority creates an opportunity to make an important point about political discourse.
The Internet is filled with sites, political and otherwise, with people bashing each other disrespectfully. At least TR expressed his disrespect in a respectful manner, this time.
All that chatter is often like the tower of babble. No real communication. Cathardic venting, perhaps, but rarely is anyone learning anything.
Sometimes this site is better than the rest. I’d like it to be better than the rest more of the time.
Bob has earned my respect by how he has conducted himself over the last several months. TR has earned it over years. Freespeaker a bit more than a year.
I’m not being holier than thou. Sometimes I let it rip worse that anyone. Yet, I think the reason that this site is linked and cited on sites that promote different points of view and ideologies is that we can respect the people with differing points of view, even when we abhor their ideas.
When you disrespect someone you lose your ability to learn from them. You also lose your ability to influence them.
Why call yourself a Republican or Democrat if you do not believe in what those parties stand for
One reason could be is that the parties often don’t walk the walk.
For example, in 2007 the Republican Congress passed a law banning incandescent light bulbs. President George W. Bush signed it into law.
In three weeks we won’t be able to buy 100 watt bulbs. This was done in the name of saving energy and saving the planet. The problem is that it won’t. The manufacturing and disposal of the fluresent bulbs we are going to be forced to use will cause more environmental damage than the energy savings will prevent.
Or, there’s the runaway spending, “deficits don’t matter,” Dick Cheney said, of the Bush years.
And then there is the Whitman years in New Jersey.
Art my purpose is not to attack Mr. English personally (he actually seems like a nice guy) but unfortunately he makes a good example of what is wrong with the great middle. They will not commit to a consistant political philosophy. I obviously view this with some disdain and in fact it is what makes it hard to get excited about some of the GOP candidates but as I said it is the voting habits of people like Mr. English that encourage such feckless behavior in our politicians.
Further as you and your readers know I often engage in hyperbole to make a point.
I am not interesting in influencing Mr. English. He is beyond my reach. I am only interested in getting people to think about something other then a football game or Kim Kardashians love life. I am cantankerous about it and get more so as I age but I am happy that way.
Yes George Bush was an awful president from a conservative viewpoint but in the real world sometimes you have to pick the lesser of two evils. I would still vote for Bush over Obama because as bad as he was he would do a better job of advancing a conservative agenda then Obama. (Whitman I would never vote for because she is actually no better then a Democrat. She was about on par with Mcgreevy)
Oh an PS Art. Bug off!
The great middle does not have a political philosophy. If it weren’t for sex scandals, they might not pay attention at all.
Two Republican municipal officials from New Jersey resigned their offices in the past week. You probably heard about the one who resigned over the controversy involving an anonymous male prostitute. You probably didn’t hear about the one who resigned because of increased job demands.
The great middle cares about how much money they have, which Hollywood starlet is sleeping with what Hollywood hunk, and pretty soon, what kind of light bulbs they can’t buy.
For the most part, those with a conservative political philosphy do a horrible job communicating with the great middle. The liberal media paints us as extremists and we say, “that’s right you liberal moron,” instead of telling the great middle, “if you vote our way you’ll have more money and can buy whatever light bulb suits you.”
How about those Jets?!
Did you hear Jose Reyes signed with the Miami Marlins? Governor Christie can’t be happy about that.
POINT MATCH
Art,
I’ve already stocked up on a heck of a lot of incandescent light bulbs.
But, just to stick it in the face of the environmentalists, I think I will pick up a couple of more dozen this weekend 🙂
When LED’s come down in price, I will switch to them; but it will be a cold day in hell before I put fluorescent bulbs throughout my house. 🙁